Posie Parker & Venice Allan We Need To Talk FB Page

//Posie Parker & Venice Allan We Need To Talk FB Page

Posie Parker & Venice Allan We Need To Talk FB Page

Posie Parker and Venice Allen the Current Darlings or Shero’s of Radical Feminism. On Venice Allan’s fb page We Need To Talk. 

 

Update: Now several days after the conversation below More nonsense. Venice Allan Never gave a response. We have continued to be harrassed, bullied, trashed & abused for asking women who claim to be Radical Feminists to unpack their racism. 

 

anna we need to talkThis is the level of Nonsense Occurring on We Need To Talk Venice Allan’s page.

They erased the thread where they along with other white women engaged in serious racism.

They Turned off commenting.

This morning They posted a podcast, which of course Is very important to be shared, Everyone should have a listen to Sherri Golden, Vanessa and others relating their experiences of being bullied at the Dyke March in San Francisco this year. I have posted the link below so ya’ll can check it out.

That said I am of the opinion that WNTT intentionally worked to ensure that Sherri’s image showed up on their post. Sherri is not a pawn in their game. She was trashed on their page by racist women and this was their doing.

And yet another nonsense comment, someone pretending that I said calling Sherri a Dick was racist.

https://wlrnmedia.wordpress.com/category/podcasts/

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Of further note Venice Allan had time to slap a Laugh emoji on our responses.

Racism can be Both Overt and Covert/Internalized. Posie Parker engages in overt Racism and Lesbophobia (she believes lesbians were dropped on their head and damaged as babies). She called Sherri Golden a Dick Intentionally Knowing Sherri is a Butch Lesbian. Venice Allan engaged in Racism in her response to Rebecca having asked “why are you promoting Posie who is racist. White women dismissing concerns of women bringing real receipts of racism IS RACISM. Venice Further goes on to meet Rebecca’s genuine feelings of upset and distrust of white women who protect or defend Racist behaviors or Dismiss WOC and their concerns with “If you don’t like what white women are doing then go make your own meeting”. This too is OVERT RACISM. These Racist White Women can say and do anything including extend blatantly Inhumane responses, call names, or any other kind of behavior and Other Racist White Women will not only Say Nothing about their bad behavior but Go to great lengths to Defend the Racist White Women, because they are racists themselves & seeking to protect their own white privilege.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Why are you promoting Posie Parker? She is not a feminist. She is a racist, with ties to a white nationalist here in the US.
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We Need To Talk Erm because everything you say about her is untrue?
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler We Need To Talk or, not. She is a racist. Also fawns over Jordan Peterson.
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Venice Allan Rebecca Lee Crumpler thanks for these examples! I’m sure attendees will make their own judgements
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Venice Allan I have little faith in white women. They repeatedly bend over backwards to justify racism and bigotry because of a few words favoring the position on transgender women. You’re quite close to Posie. Why? If you were still a member of Labour, she’s the type of person you would wish to include??? WOC are between a rock and a hard place, between transwomen and racist women. Wow!
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Venice Allan Rebecca Lee Crumpler you could always organise your own meeting if you have so little faith in us white feminists 💁🏼‍♀️
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler and, there is the f*ck you to woc right on cue. Thanks for confirming what I thought. Now, do you understand why woc are supporting trans rather than you lot?
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Venice Allan oh no, here’s the fuck you… fuck you! 😘
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler It’s no wonder Labour thought you were disposable.
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Laura Akers OMG Venice Allan that is disgusting. Wow, do you truly believe that White women can accomplish collective change & fight against Elites without the assistance of WOC? Just because you are doing advocacy doesn’t mean that white women can achieve liberation from the Trans movement on their own. Wow that is idiocy. Aside from that do you consider yourself to be a Radical Feminist? Or a Feminist period? Anti Racism is the cornerstone & essential to the Liberation of women. You are here telling this black woman who is raising a legitimate question regarding Posie’s racism & then legitimately responding to the racism you then engaged in to fuck off. OMG that is putrid behavior thru and thru. I intend to do everything w/in my power to convey to women that you all do not represent Radical Feminism or Feminism period. A refusal to unpack racism is unacceptable & it shows a real lack of character on your part. While you may be advocating your ass off you are nothing more than a temporary band-aid. You’re fighting to win a battle when there’s a War needing to be won. You don’t get it clearly & you don’t represent Real Radical Feminist women who understand that Racism must be Dismantled in order for Patriarchy to be Dismantled. I challenge you to unpack this racism. Understand, white women do not have enough power or the numbers to do it & WOC are not going to join forces in mass with racist ass whites telling them to go away or working to silence them every time they call ya’ll out on your bullshit ways.
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Jana Cornel This is appalling and I’m pretty disgusted right now
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Venice Allan Do I really believe white women accomplish collective change… without the assistance of WOC? What on Earth on this thread made you think that I think that?? Legitimate question? Read Rebecca’s comments and the screenshots she posted. Talking shit about someone she doesn’t know who I do know. I made a joke about white feminists because I’m sick to death of hearing this stuff about my friend that has been started by other white women who don’t like her. That screenshot about the fake video, JFC, tweeted by a woman who’s main thrill in life seems to be trashing other women in a way that makes herself look virtuous. It’s disgusting and it makes me furious. So yeah, please do fuck right off
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Venice Allan “I intend to do everything w/in my power to convey to women that you all do not represent radical feminism or feminism period”. That really does sound a jolly productive way to spend your time! FYI I’ve never claimed to represent radical feminism, I’m just an ordinary woman who refuses to put up with bullshit.
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Laura Akers Venice You and your friend are Racists. I have screenshots of racists statements made by Posie as well. These women on here Rebecca Lee Crumpler Tracy Neal Jana Cornel are WOC & I am a Native woman. We are Experts on Racism. We know what it is. We know when we see it. And we are not attacking anyone by pointing it out & asking women to be accountable to dismantle racism. You say “I’ve never claimed to be represent radical feminism I’m just an ordinary woman who refuses to put up with bullshit”….so it’s fine for you to be a racist? And to defend your racist friends?……because you aren’t formally claiming to be a Radical Feminist? WOC are tired of ya’ll racists thinking it’s fine and dandy to walk around as though you are the ideal humans & everyone else should just tolerate whatever ya’ll dish out….you are Women’s Problem because you have ZERO recognition that as you walk around feeling yourself to be superior enough to utter out of your mouth “if you don’t like what white’s are doing make your own group”…..You further codify the Very Patriarchy you pretend to be refusing to put up with. Rebecca, Tracy, Jana, Laura…..We too are just ordinary women who refuse to put up with racist bullshit!
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Venice Allan Laura Akers so you’re saying that I’m racist because I’m friends with Posie who most definitely is racist because you’ve ‘seen screenshots’. Ooooookkkkkkkk
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Laura Akers Venice Allan I have screen shots of her BEING racist….which I was able to determine by listening to what she was saying….. And Same for Your comment on this very thread “. Racism isn’t simply overt. I am referring to internalized covert racism that whites have & must unpack. The fact that you think that what you said is fine & okay….that it is completely acceptable to speak to a black woman who asks you “why are you standing by someone who harms me through their racist beliefs & refuses to unpack”//// like she’s utter trash….is all I need to hear to understand your privileged mindset & how you have NO comprehension of how intense the experience of racism is. You don’t give a fuck and that’s the bottom and top line. You just want to keep being friends with Posie & fancying yourself a revolutionary.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler We Need To Talk we’re saying you’re racist because you are promoting a racist and refuse to call out her racism.
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Laura Akers We Need To Talk I am completely open to talking more about it.Venice Allan Rebecca Lee Crumpler thanks for these examples! I’m sure attendees will make their own judgements
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Like · Reply · 17h So Venice When you said this You actually made it clear that YOU feel No need to address racism personally. Why do you believe you bear no responsibility to dismantle racism? Because it doesn’t impact your own life directly?
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Venice Allan I don’t think those screenshots show any racism. That’s what I meant. My ‘very racist comment on this thread’ about white feminism was a joke. If you think Rebecca’s questions deserved a considerate response then I suppose we communicate in different ways. When people are rude to me, I’m often rude back, and I sometimes make jokes.
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Laura Akers Venice Allan If you are friends with a Racist then that means you consent to racism. Silence is Consent. This isn’t just someone you know either. This is someone you are close to. Again, my question is why is it that you don’t believe you have any personal responsibility to Dismantle Racism wherever it crops up? So Racism doesn’t stem from Patriarchy?….you know that same bullshit you don’t want to put up with?
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Venice Allan Laura Akers you are making so many assumptions about me and about Posie and our relationship, what makes you think you know us? A few screenshots and some Facebook posts and the odd video? I’m going to sleep now because it’s really late and I’m tired.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler I wasn’t rude, but you were certainly dismissive.
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Laura Akers Venice Allan Yeah I don’t want to talk about Posie. I made it clear I was interested in talking to you about you. Why am I not surprised that you accused me of not wanting to talk…now you going to bed…… Projection much! I could have predicted you would never answer any legitimate question I asked you.You’re prediction skills….not so good. Better brush up!
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Laura Akers Rebecca Lee Crumpler YOu damn sure wasn’t rude
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Jana Cornel Posie seems pretty racist and dismissive to me

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Laura Akers Jana Cornel She is also homophobic too

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Laura Akers Here she is in that same convo minimizing Racism, deflecting, refusing to admit Racism is even a thing by insisting we discuss classism

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Jana Cornel Yep. That thread was packed full of racism 😦
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Laura Akers Oh sorry Jana Cornel You were in that convo

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Jana Cornel It’s ok! It’s good to refresh my memory
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Sherri Golden Yes, it was glaringly obvious that Posie was racist in that thread. Venice Allen, your comment above clearly proved Rebecca’s point. Appalling behavior, and I’m quite frankly embarrassed that womyn such as you two are the so called public faces of radical feminism. Shame on you both for treating woc this way.
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Posie Parker Laura Akers I have to say you’re coming across as quite stupid. I’m making the point that privilege ideology fails on an individual basis.
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Posie Parker Laura Akers fuck off. It’s known that Isaacson made that video herself. That’s nothing to do with me.
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Posie Parker Jana Cornel you seem deeply troubled and unpleasant to me.
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Posie Parker You’re an idiot. Without your trans activist style logic let’s see the proof of my racism. And do tell us about all the incredible events you’ve organised.
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Vicky Polley I think a few people here need to read up on the definition of racism!!!
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Sharon Parrott Rebecca Lee Crumpler Just read the whole thread here and as an outsider I would say you are being deliberately antagonistic. It’s not a good look.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Vicky Polley Black women don’t understand racism or bigotry??? 😂😂😂
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Sharon Parrott of course, you would say that. Women of color should meekly accept racism, right.
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Renée Petty Magritte I dont understand the Jordan Peterson thing. He wanta to remove women’s right to vote, work, and own land.

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Jana Cornel “Deeply troubled and unpleasant” Posie Parker? De’ja Motley, get a load of this.
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Posie Parker Jana Cornel yes. You are.
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Sharon Parrott Rebecca Lee Crumpler I take offence at this comment. You have no idea of me or my life. Now I’m sure it’s you with the problem

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Jana Cornel So I’m deeply troubled and unpleasant because I call out racism when I see it. I see how it goes 😡
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Carrie Hamm Laura Akers omg your posts are tooo long. So draining.
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Venice Allan Maybe one of you could do a billboard:

Womyn See More

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Barbara Van’tSlot Rebecca Lee Crumpler Jordan Peterson the free speech advocate who questioned the gender id law in Canada? He attracts the right but he has important insights to gender id laws,tolatarianism etc.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Barbara Van’tSlot yes, him. He is a misogynist and racist. A definite no go. What does free speech mean for people like him in the context of racism? I understand to some extent because women are fighting the same problem because we want to name adult males as males no matter how they identify, but you still won’t catch me cozying up to someone like him. I will find a different way.
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Barbara Van’tSlot Rebecca Lee Crumpler so she tried to meet him once. Is that cozying up?
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Jana Cornel You can’t gaslight me. I’ve seen you pull this “innocent” act before. You mock and dismiss any woman that calls you out and laugh about it. I see right throught it.
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Anna Kariri-Xocó Venice Allan this is stupid to say to Rebecca. That’s why we have little faith in white women because bullshits like these.
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Rachael Ralph Oh wow. Hate seeing this in this community.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Barbara Van’tSlot I was pretty clear on what Jordan Peterson was about when his stance on preferred pronouns came out. All it took was a little more digging to discover that he had also complained about diversity training at UT, was concerned about “free speech”. Those are red flags after hearing from white men on the right with similar positions. So, I don’t understand the need to meet with an MRA even once.
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Anna Kariri-Xocó You white women own us almost everything. When you thought you were creating feminism, we woc were there fighting patriarchy for centuries but you didn’t give a shit about it. When our grandgrand mothers were enslaved and your grand grand mothers were laughing at us and trying to crash our souls. But we are here and you gonna have to respect us. Reflect upon your racism when a black woman, a native american woman call you out.

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Venice Allan Anna Kariri-Xocó excuse me, but what do you know of my ancestors?!

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Alexis Nowak Rebecca Lee Crumpler WOC are not all supporting trans. Speak for yourself and don’t generalize all of us WOC. Ridiculous.
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Anna Kariri-Xocó Venice Allan really you got the message. If your ancestors were enslaved and put it down as mine, still you are a white woman dismissing black women, woc when we are showing the racism within feminism and you don’t want to reflect upon it.
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Posie Parker Anna Kariri-Xocó where is the racism? Just where?
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Anna Kariri-Xocó Posie Parker Posie I am done. I am not here to show you what racism is. If at least four black women are saying you have been racist and showing proof what you should at least she what we have to say and rethink your position.

When you say: ” A successful black woman and conflating with a disabled white woman for who suffers more. Still WE no matter how successful suffer racism that any white women will suffer disabled or not.

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Laura Akers Posie Parker Is an Abelist as well as a racist. UGH. These white women trip me out thinking themselves to simply transfer their arguments they make with TIMS onto women of color. ALL That is too is a racist mindset. See essentially they are claiming that if you “identify yourself” as Black, Native, etc…… that you are hung up on Identity Politics AND behaving LIKE the Trans Person. It’s a way for White Women to Center White Women Only on the down low. Oh they say they are fighting for All women. Of course they don’t go up in there & Say “really we are just fighting for a specific type of woman and fuck the rest” but Them turning around and working to tell every WOC who confronts them on their racism that they are slipping into an Identity and engaging in Trans Like behaviors is a TACTIC for sure that some white woman came up with to Excuse away White women’s racism. Some Women are BORN Black or Native. ALL TIMS are Born Men. Those two things are not the same. Therefore working to tell Black or Native women they are like TIMS, claiming special rights…….. Ya’lls tactic is nothing more than gaslighting. Posie’s effort to talk ONLY about Class by taking specific & RARE examples of Black women/men who have Class privilege over poor whites is nothing more than yet another diversion & tactic to avoid addressing her racism. The Proof is in the Statistics. Tell you what, you show me the data which proves that Black Wealth is essentially Equal to White Wealth in your country. But even if you did the fact that here in US Black wealth is heading towards ZERO by 2053 means that The ONLY appropriate discussion here is about WHITE’S RACISM & the Need to Unpack it. You don’t have a leg to stand on & it’s disgusting that you are someone who gaslights your way through life. Your efforts aren’t shit. They are meaningless because at the end of the day You work to Oppress Women of Color. You got the Master’s whip and that’s all you are wielding so you can get yourself as much as possible off the backs of woc. The Truth Hurts! That’s why all you can do is insult us. https://www.theguardian.com/…/median-wealth-of-black…

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Laura Akers Posie get back to us when you have gone to all of the elite males & demanded that they dismantle laws, systems, social practices, business practices etc….that They Devised & Implemented in order to Manufacture White Superiority….AND when they have done THAT……. Then we will discuss Class okay?

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Laura Akers this just further proves to me their ignorance of radical feminism. Not only these women but many others fail to read literature or at least have an understanding beyond Dworkin and Mary Daly. Women of color and lesbians are fighting the same bs that frustrated Audre Lorde, Barbara Smith, bell hooks. “Identity politics and intersectionality were tools of analysis created by and for Black lesbian radical feminists to fight patriarchy and racism. These women outright reject identity politics on the pretense of the concept being created by tra’s but their purpose is to silence woc and lesbian women.
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Laura Akers Rebecca Lee Crumpler Yes exactly that’s all they are doing! And of course they got to steal from brilliant women cause as we know elite society is only an Artificially Created Ideal via Inbreeding primarily…..which means that truly gifted humans by nature are all oppressed.
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Laura Akers Venice Allan you are engaging RACISM and ABLEISM. Patriarchal Indoctrination. YOU Are FULLY Invested In Men’s “Ideals”. Your Vision of What is Valuable is formed by Men. And here you are attacking Women who have been systemically kept from resources….by those Men you represent now…. that you are able to obtain, even if you yourself are poor, via the fact that you are white & if you say the right things that White Women with Access to those Men’s resources Like then they will bring you on up into the fold…..as they did! Which is why you are here now saying to black women “why don’t you create a sign”…….because you’re saving yourself…… you want to stay in the fold now……. but nothing will ever change that you’re doing it off the blood sweat and tears of woc & you have to live with that

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Posie Parker Laura Akers so many words…. still no actual evidence of what you’re accusing me of. (I don’t read long posts, I don’t have time).

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Laura Akers Stop tagging me Posie

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Sherri Golden She’s already provided evidence. Evidence which you have yet to acknowledge beyond gaslighting and projecting. It’s all pretty transparent at this point.
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Laura Akers Sherri Golden It Sure IS! I suggest we bounce now

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Sherri Golden Mocking womyn and laugh emojiing at their comments isn’t exactly adding credibility either, just fyi. It’s schoolyard bullying tactics added onto the racism. But keep on. The more you talk and act out the more apparent it all becomes.
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Sherri Golden Yes, Laura, time to head out. I do have a lot more to do than play childish games with racists.
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Emily Newman God, this is really awful. I’m reading all the comments and stepping back and wondering what the answer is.

How can we inhabit such different worlds and get to the same ends? We can’t.

Posie, these women are experiencing you as racist. This is something I don’t fully get.

Black women are treated like shit in society, structural and culturally oppressed, (a whole more later than white women) and as a white women I’ve been in situations where I’ve felt deeply uncomfortable with my privilege and sat with that feeling and sat with how black women have mistrusted me and – bloody hell – it’s deeply fucking uncomfortable, but it’s the least I can do.

My own families black history is fucking shameful.
I have got this wrong and I made a comment earlier about some of the language feeling like rhetoric that’s chucked at you.
This is about women’s anger about being marginalised and here are white feminists able to access what they need to move the cause.

God knows what the answer is but maybe there will be some dialogue instead of just anger and accusations.

Bloody hell, its easy to be ignorsnt when we have it easy. I’ve been ignorant lots and it wasn’t wilful. Not at all.

Posie Parker and other white feminists are doing great stuff and can do that.

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Laura Akers Emily Newman But that is the thing. Your definition of “Doing Great Things” is predicated on an acceptance of Racism & Racist Ideals. Are you willing to sit with that, to work to understand those connections? Much great care is necessary. On the surface yes, very good to create a sign like this, very good to fight to change the laws in this area. But we cannot have racist women doing this work so that is the trouble with it all. When racist women are empowered even if they are doing some good things we are still in deep shit. It is no different than any other situation. All abusive men can do something good in a moment. Look at all the drug lords, how much they do….they have even built entire cities to help the poor….. I bet a thousand percent you don’t go around saying “Look at all the good these drug lords have done”. Why are you doing that here then? And when we discuss what is valuable I’m not willing to just accept your Patriarchal concept of what is or isn’t Valuable you see. I am in possession of a Woman’s Vision & revolting against Man’s Ideals as Valuable. And many woc are rejecting that because we know through our Direct life experiences of White terrorism & Genocide…..the Efforts to Destroy the way of life we Lived & Ideals we held…. that those ideals are not Shit…& anyone can see it now by simply looking at the Realities the Planet is in dire straights, the Animals are going extinct & suffering severe abuses etc….. Yet You argue that these Ideals are the Measure of Value. We are doing More work right here on this very thread than Any Racist White woman could Ever hope to accomplish because we understand that ALL Women’s Liberation Is Held Up Until White women become willing to unpack their Racism and relinquish their White Privilege. There is NOTHING stopping these white women who are in possession of resources from elevating True Radical Woman who are Truly working to Dismantle Patriarchy in ALL of it’s forms other than the White women themselves. White Middle/Upper Class (Usually Het) Women systematically ensure that Truly Radical Women which are mostly WOC and Lesbian women are muted, silenced, ousted, never invited, etc…… This is On Purpose. White Middle/Upper Class women act to protect their lifestyle. They cherry pick what serves them and work to gaslight anyone who tells the truth about what they are doing, which is what is happening here. And this is nothing More than Patriarchy Repackaged. And this is nothing more than White women having their life served up to them off the blood, sweat & tears of WOC. Right now over in Yemen little children and women are STARVING…Being Systematically MURDERED & Ya’ll up on here talking about what are ya’ll doing cause ya’ll created a fucking sign

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Anna Kariri-Xocó Ok. Insist that you are not being racist. I am done. Done talking with white woman who doesn’t want to recognize that you can be racist with us.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Alexis Nowak as a woman of color who doesn’t support trans ideology, I know this. Thanks.
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Emily Newman White woman act to protect their lifestyle.

This is patriarchy repackaged.

theres no conversation here?

You know what?

Just up there I said I had been ignorant, I owned my ignorance.

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Emily Newman You know what? I own that im unconsciously bias and I’m getting shit wrong in this thread and I’m saying the wrong stuff.

I will vehemently defend any woman that will be prepared to stand up to the system that is enabling the rape and destruction of women and children. That’s why I’m here. I’m a mother. That’s my bottom line. That’s why I’m here. This trans movement is systematically and steadily destroying women and children. That’s what im here for that. Someone stood in a room and named that . I thank them. Over and out.

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Lisa Storm Rebecca Lee Crumpler there is no understanding why any woman would support trans over women. The trans cult seeks to erase us.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Lisa Storm there is no understanding why any **black person** would support **white people** over **black people**. **White people** seek to erase us.

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Rachael Ralph Posie Parker here sounds like the TRA “I don’t read long posts”. Her attitude towards her fellow women on this thread has been so insultingly dismissive. I’m somewhat shocked. This is an embarrassment for our community and my heart goes out to the women of color here who were treated with such disregard.
She keeps asking for proof of her racist ways, even if there we’re no proof previously (which there is, I’ve just seen it posted) her attitude here as been proof enough. Very sad to see this. And it’s also highly unsettling to have someone like this be seen as a prominent voice of the rad fem community.
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Jacq Ann Laura Akers May I ask if you all are American?
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Jacq Ann no. Not all of us are.
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Laura Akers Jacq Ann Yes I am, as is Tracy Neal & Sherri for sure. I can’t speak for the rest of the women on the thread. That said this is a global issue. I am very close to a woman who lives in the UK. She and I have had in depth conversations about the state of Racism in UK and even more specifically about the Radical Feminist groups & she has conveyed to me that Radical Feminist groups in UK are almost all White Middle/Upper class women with few WOC. That’s a massive issue. One that is confirmed here on this thread where Venice is telling a black woman go form her own group. Until racism is dismantled everywhere women shall remain oppressed everywhere

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Tracy Glover Rebecca Lee Crumpler If you are going to call her a racist, back it up. Links please.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler And, it’s also true that UK women have requested that women from all over the world complete the GRA consultation questionnaire. It would be convenient to say now that we should be silent.
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Laura Akers Tracy Glover UM please get off this thread if you have not taken time to read over the whole exchange. proof has already been provided

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Tracy Glover Rebecca Lee Crumpler If you are going to call her a racist, back it up. Links please.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler And, it’s also true that UK women have requested that women from all over the world complete the GRA consultation questionnaire. It would be convenient to say now that we should be silent.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Tracy Glover Laura has posted them upthread.
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Laura Akers Tracy Glover UM please get off this thread if you have not taken time to read over the whole exchange. proof has already been provided
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Venice Allan I actually said to Rebecca, after her unsubstantiated insults, ‘you could always organise your own meeting if you have so little faith in us white feminists 💁🏼‍♀️’ but I guess the irony was lost on you 🤦‍♀️

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Laura Akers Emily Newman I took the time to share information with you because you expressed that you want to unpack. Take it as that. I’m sharing something with you so that you can have more information that helps you grasp the issues at hand. Take it or leave it. You alone are responsible for your emotional state when it comes to the emotion the information invokes in you. That’s something for you to deal with internally & you really shouldn’t be imposing it on me after I opened up. This shit is taxing For Native and Black women.
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Laura Akers That’s not irony it’s White Privilege
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Venice Allan Laura you’re like a parody account. It’s gold. Thank you

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Bronwen Davies Rebecca Lee Crumpler don’t be silly and don’t believe everything you read on social media.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Bronwen Davies please don’t insult my intellect by trying to gaslight me. Scurry away now.

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Laura Akers There is a saying When you Know Better you Do Better but some women Know Better and Determine to Never do better in a particular area & this applies here because this is not a first or second time that women have confronted ya’ll on your racism. Here there are 7,8 or 9 of us saying to you women “your behavior must change, you are furthering Patriarchy, you are harming women and furthering your own gain off the backs of woc” and ya’ll just display ZERO consciousness or willingness to say wow, all these women both woc and some white feminist are calling me on my behaviors, maybe i need to consider I’m needing to understand something more”……instead you spend your time slapping laughing emoji onto our comments… Childish as Fuck and your friend all she can come up with is “you’re stupid, i don’t read more than a few words, you’re not saying shit, no proof, where? where? where? where? The ignorance & inability to have thoughtful discourse is GLARING!

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Laura Akers Bronwen Davies ah so i see you are a racist yourself talking about scurry away……. Nasty! Nasty! Nasty! Ya’ll talk & act like men
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Posie Parker Rachael Ralph it’s really weird how the attacked defend themselves. Damned human nature.
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De’ja Motley Wtf is this YT racist shit!!! Jana Cornel
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Shirley Taylor Rebecca Lee Crumpler “Now, do you understand why woc are supporting trans rather than you lot?” Rather an over generalised sweeping statement don’t you think or do you speak for everyone!

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De’ja Motley The level of stupid shit I am reading here from so called YT feminist. Why dont yall focus on collecting ur YT sisters who voted for trump or didnt support the doctor who accused Kavanaugh. Why dont you focus on ur complicit behavior within slavery and racist systems and all the calling the police on blacks that ur sisters do. Focus on the shit going on in the UK that got yall looking really fucking stupid allow menz to take over positions in womens organzations that were for women! Focus on your broken miserable asses because YT menz didnt give you a seat at the table so u pretend to be angry with YT patriarchy when really you are just as racist as the males in your ethnicity ! stop talking shit to bw like yall so bad ass. Yall not bad ass yall bad racist! This whole thread is embarassing for every YT woman that disrespected a black sister. N yes I tool screenshots of even u traitor ass racistssss who liked the racist comments.
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Shirley Taylor Rebecca Lee Crumpler Along with all other Women whom they seek to erase by their denial of biological sex!

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We Need To Talk De’ja Motley 👍

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Maggie Lucas Laura Akers, you’re behaving like a completely hysterical twunt. I don’t know the rest of your brigade but I’ve seen you in action for a couple of years now and I’ve noticed that you’re always stirring it up about one thing or another.

Making unfounded allegations of racism is just irresponsible. I’ve no idea why you’re trying to damage the reputation of women who have put themselves on the line, consistently, over the past year, for ALL women. Maybe this is how you get your kicks, but I urge you to tread carefully.

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Laura Akers I’m glad you outed yourself Maggie Lucas. Your comment will be duly recorded. As you can see Maggie there are LOTS of women stating that Posie and Venice are being Racist on this very thread so FUCK OFF with your White Definition of Racism. You don’t get to define it & it’s not your place to tell any Native or Black woman they don’t have a right to advocate for themselves. And what a JOKE claiming these women are putting their reputation on the line. Hardy Har Har. The only thing they are doing is misusing Radical Feminism to achieve their own personal aims. As are you!

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Maggie Lucas Laura Akers, you’re behaving like a completely hysterical twunt. I don’t know the rest of your brigade but I’ve seen you in action for a couple of years now and I’ve noticed that you’re always stirring it up about one thing or another.

Making unfounded allegations of racism is just irresponsible. I’ve no idea why you’re trying to damage the reputation of women who have put themselves on the line, consistently, over the past year, for ALL women. Maybe this is how you get your kicks, but I urge you to tread carefully.

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Laura Akers I’m glad you outed yourself Maggie Lucas. Your comment will be duly recorded. As you can see Maggie there are LOTS of women stating that Posie and Venice are being Racist on this very thread so FUCK OFF with your White Definition of Racism. You don’t gSee More
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Maggie Lucas I don’t want to fight with you Laura. You sound completely unhinged. Get some rest.

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Jana Cornel I don’t know De’ja Motley 😦 I’ve been trying to wrap my head around it since last night. We’re a joke to them 😦

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Andrea Cook Venice Allan wow I just lost so much respect for you. Using stereotypes to humiliate someone when they’re trying to help you be a better person? That is school girl humor and shows a severe lack of maturity.
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Andrea Cook Posie Parker They’re trying to help you not be such an asshole. Maybe it would do you some good to listen. Why do you think you’re right? Why do you think what they have to say is irrelevant?
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De’ja Motley Yall on here talking about yall not racist. Lets set aside the screen shots n supposed evidence. Your comments alone on this thread to my black radical feminist sisters and our allies were disgusting n bigoted and dismissive and racist!!!!
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Aran Yani Laura Akers You are not a WOC, give me a fkkking break. You know nothing about being a WOC. You do not get to speak on our behalf. You only involve yourself in these threads to spread drama and division in this movement. Literally all I’ve ever seen from you is exactly what you’re doing here – attacking women.

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Natassia Grover Well well well.

Here we go again, women being told what to do again. And branded all sorts of names when they don’t comply. 🙄

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Natassia Grover She makes a good point: in many countries, it’s not race but economic class and physical/mental ability that really determines what sorts of opportunities and privileges one will have.

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Laura Akers So Aran me coming to stand with Rebecca is in your book me involving myself to be in drama for kicks or to be divisive in the movement? Also ss please where I said i am a WOC?
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De’ja Motley Natassia Grover bullshit. Its racism everywhere. Ask the immigrants!
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Laura Akers Aran I see no proof you are even a woman of color on your page. I dont know you. We have never interacted before from my memory. I am a Native woman and when a sister tells me she is experiencing racism Im gonna help. Instead of talking shit to or about me.. of course you have no proof of what you say.. why dont you get to telling these white women to stop being racists

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Aran Yani Here Laura Akers . You are NOT a WOC with your white a$$. And you are NOT an “expert” on racism. You are always on these threads harassing women who are actually doing stuff to benefit all women. wtf are you doing besides putting another fkn block in the road for women to navigate around.

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Aran Yani And you did state above several times that you’re a WOC. You aren’t. Stop it!

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Aran Yani Venice Allan Posie Parker I’m a WOC and I appreciate that you’ve put yourselves on the line to fight for this very important women’s issue. Some of the women above do this same thing to other important women, women who are actually getting stuff done. Please keep fighting for women! ✊aran yani5

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Laura Akers Oh so you are saying I am lying. That I am not a Native woman???

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Laura Akers Um ss’s of me Always being on these threads…on what threads Aran?

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Aran Yani Laura Akers You are a white woman and you are appropriating the struggle of WOC. You are the one being racist.

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Anna Kariri-Xocó Natassia Grover, racism comes hands in hands with classism. Tell me one country with poc that race and economic do not affect us ?

Are you talking about countries such as ? Finland? Sweden ? With a minor rate of people of color? Still racism kills us together with economic difficults.

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Laura Akers I’ve got my money on Aran Yani beiing a Racist troll

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These racist white women use trolls to come in & claim they are WOC siding with the racists & attacking the Anti Racists esp someone like me where I pass as white.

I went to Aran Yani’s page after she attacked me to understand who she was. Her page didn’t provide Any evidence of her being a WOC to me. None of her links said WOC & her name on her account at the top in the address bar was Jessica Pony. I posted a comment on my own personal thread notating that I thought this was a troll and noting that Jessical Pony is the name in the address not Aran. Here is the SS of that post:

aran yani

Then about 5 minutes later I went to check the page out some more and the Name at the top was suddenly changed. Someone is clearly watching my page (it was public at that point that I posted the comment). aran yani1

Emily Newman And she just made a comparison with ex pat communities colonising other parts of the world. Wtaf is wrong with people that we can’t critique and discuss stuff? Jesus – you know what? While you’re chucking accusations of racism at Posie, Some of the most vulnerable women in the U.K are living behind closed doors, unable to speak English, unable to access help, these women are beaten and raped by husbands, caring roles shackled to them and have young daughters having their genitals mutilated and forced into marriage.

Do you know how I know this? No. Do I know how some of these women feel? As much as they’ve told me. Have I helped women flee from these circumastance – not enough, has Posie been present in solidarity with women who have fled? Yes.

Critical analysis is not racism. All that it’s doing to silence people is reinforcing the idea that other cultures are not our problem. Fuck that. I will not be scared to say what I think …

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Barbara Van’tSlot We Need To Talk wanting to meet jordon Peterson does not mean someone has ‘ties’to them. She does not work with him or flog his work. It is just seems like such a stretch to say she has ties to white nationalist.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Barbara Van’tSlot her tie isn’t through Jordan Peterson. It’s through an American woman – Tasha Rose
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De’ja Motley Rebecca Lee Crumpler that shit about blacks getting into college despite asians having better results should land her a nice seat at the head of the grand dragon kkk leaders conference!
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De’ja Motley Rebecca Lee Crumpler she is obsessed with this shit. She is not even hitting actual causes for concern. Just being anti islam n petty.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler De’ja Motley that’s how I see it, too. There is a difference between criticizing parts of Islam, which most radical feminists do, and just being a bigot. I have sat with Muslim women and heard them discuss these matters. I am not saying you can’t criticize Islam. I’m saying being a bigot is wrong.
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Julian Vigo This is all very gossipy with screen shots of a few people’s opinions. I think she has a right to her critique and we should ALL be very concerned that in a move to appear NOT racist the media has pussyfooted around S Asian grooming gangs, not renderiSee More
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Emily Newman I’m afraid to say this but I will. There are formally white working class pockets of the UK which have seen Asian communities move in in such a large scale that it has created resentment and unrest. Example: In an area I know, mining area in theSee More
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Mary Alice Miller Rebecca Lee Crumpler Not all black women support trans identified men at the expense of women, including black women.

Btw, my issues are more important than any person or personality.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Julian Vigo seriously, Julian. You have been defending Jordan Peterson for 3 years. And, I have disagreed with you for 3 years. Your distant S Asian/Russian ancestry mixed with a Jamaican friend from 20 years ago didn’t convince me then. Doesn’t convince me now when you come to defend racism.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Mary Alice Miller you think? I don’t support modern transgender ideology. The women of color commenting on my subthread do not support trans ideology. There are precious few women of color among radical feminists precisely because we have to battle racist bs from white (and white passing) women all the time.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Emily Newman I have never seen Posie Parker discuss anything remotely close to the marginalization of white working class people. She doesn’t discuss economic frustrations. She complains about too many Muslims, too many girls wearing hijab and the fact that a Muslim was elected mayor of London. You want to talk about lack of analysis. Talk about Posie. She has NO PLACE on a dais.
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Mary Alice Miller Posie Parker Wow. So if a husband treats his individual wife well then sexism and misogyny don’t exist? If one white woman is paid very well for her work then unpaid women’s work and women being paid less than men (and black women being paid less than See More
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De’ja Motley Mary Alice Miller i teach university in korea. You are 100 percent correct
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De’ja Motley Hahaah angry odious tedious is better than racist lol
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De’ja Motley Yall always start that u dont know me bullshit but love to generalize about the millions of people of color yall dont know haaaa
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Mary Alice Miller Rachael Ralph It happens all the time when black women say we are women, too, and we are impacted by sexism and racism. But since raciomisogynoir doesn’t impact white women somehow it doesn’t count. 😦
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Jessy Johansen Ugh… Jana Cornel I’m so sorry you are being treated like this by middle to upper class white women in the U.K. (of all places). I’ve been following you for a long time and your perspectives and insights are invaluable to a feminist movement. Not onlySee More
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Jana Cornel Thank you so much Jessy Johansen. I really appreciate that!💓
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Mary Alice Miller Anna Kariri-Xocó Boom! Oprah experienced racism when she tried to enter a shop in UK. Even though she is one of the wealthiest women in the world and accomplished in her own right she still was confronted with racism… ironically from minimum wage white store clerks.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler We Need To Talk 1. when you post from the WNTT account, who are we speaking to? 2. Bristol. But, her post itself said 8 women had been elected mayor, only none since 2001. When is the right time for a poc to be elected? And, then she said that the MuslSee More
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Jessy Johansen This whole thread is like MRA’s telling feminists
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Jana Cornel is a black female lesbian who underwent the most horrific type of FGM as a young girl.
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Julian Vigo Rebecca Lee Crumpler I didn’t even know who Peterson was three years ago. You lie an awful lot. I am not distant anything unless parents are “distant” where you come from. You sound very much a racist to me just trying to pull a mathematics of this race here. This is very inappropriate.
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Julian Vigo Jessy Johansen no this whole thread sounds like women who have no idea what they are saying and having a massively inappropriate reaction to internet gossip. I don’t see you pointing to anything racist here. So the only MRA comparison would be to your telling women to STFU while making baseless accusations. Colonising a thread with no proof to substantiate your words is pretty worthless.
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Jana Cornel Multiple women of color voicing their concerns due to the interactions or posts that they have read of these people in the past, and then being gaslighted, dismissed, mocked, and laughed at is proof enough.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Julian Vigo about 2-3 years ago because that was when the first articles were published about JBP refusing to use preferred pronouns at the University of Toronto. I discussed this with you and clearly remember you mentioning this bit about your ancestry and a West Indian housemate in NY who was also against diversity. I have no need to lie.
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Julian Vigo Jana Cornel you don’t speak for all of us. And nobody is gaslighting you. Look up the definition of the word. People are asking for proof of racism. You offer none. I’m sick of the slagging off of someone as you try to hide being WOC. No you don’t get See More
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Anna Kariri-Xocó And it seems that ” women who have no idea what they are saying”, all are woc. Black women, mixed race, native american women. Meanwhile white women knows better even about what racism is.
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Jessy Johansen “Colonising a thread”
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Julian Vigo Rebecca Lee Crumpler again, three years ago I had no idea who he was. You also have zero analysis here as you shift your timeline and try to use as hominem and misrepresentation. My flatmate was not against diversity. Get your facts straight. She was See More
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Julian Vigo Jessy Johansen actually you are doing just that. You seem to have an obsession with Posie and yet do nothing but narcissistically make something you have no proof of about yourself. Put up or shut up.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Posie Parker so, you complained about the fact that a Muslim man was appointed to a non-elected, ceremonial position? Seriously?
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Julian Vigo multiple arguments were presented hours ago. Just because white women like you don’t see it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
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Mary Alice Miller De’ja Motley Yep. I must say UK white women did look stupid by allowing a 19 year old white boy to become a women’s officer (and allowed him to harass another women’s officer out of her position) EVEN THOUGH they could have used existing UK law that alSee More
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Julian Vigo Anna Kariri-Xocó I have no idea what colour most anyone here is. But I do see a pile on of mud slinging with no proof. That is the great thing about the Internet—we can actually discuss issues without it being about race. But wait, those attacking are making very racist comments and accusations here. There is a problem if you think someone asks for proof and then unveils the fraud of this pile on.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Julian Vigo aren’t you an academic? Yet you are calling Black women racist? Oh, you’re on the right with Jordan Peterson. Just the person women need in feminism.
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Julian Vigo Rebecca Lee Crumpler I have a life, I don’t live online, and only coming to this now. I think it is funny that you run about calling WOC white. That is epic! Racist much?
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Julian Vigo Rebecca Lee Crumpler uh, you are certainly racist. I have seen your work here–you run around calling women white who are not; you are calling two women racists and provide no evidence; and now make up a conversation we had three years ago. Uh no. You are a pathological liar, Rebecca. Now get off to a library and read a bit about the difference between racism and political disagreement. I might suggest W.E.B Dubois for starters, but really at this point I would have to say that my children’s alphabet books would be an improvement on your “learning through Twitter”. FYI, I know and like Claire. I disagree with her completely over Posie, and she is not the arbiter of all things racist. You are way over your head and frankly, you seem quite ignorant. To quote Mr. T, “I pity the fool.”
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Emily Newman And I’m sorry but white working class people’s discomfort with the Asian mayor getting elected has risen out of marginalisation. Spend any time in formerly industrialised north of England you may come to understand. Overall there is far greater social mobility in these new communities than in the white working class no class poor. Are their resentments not allowed? These are oppressed people – I’m sorry but they are.? If you think that makes me a racist I’ll take that because what I see in my work and life of white marginalisation and the British class system is medieval.
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Emily Newman Jana, I’m sorry you think Posie Parker is racist. I assert my position that she’s not and would welcome building bridges because women need to pull together – not apart.,
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Julian Vigo Emily, I get the sense that these women here are Americans. They also have no class analysis or, it would seem, the ability to talk with someone even if they fundamentally disagree. This is how we advance, not by drawing lines and making baseless accusations. I have gone through this thread for some sort of understanding as to this anger at Venice and Posie and don’t get it. I speak to people all the time with whom I disagree and if anything has taught me that we need to be more tolerant to difference, it is the last five years. I see a huge divide in how WOC approach these issues from outside the US as opposed to Americans which is largely historical, but also part of that American trait of “superiority”. I think a bit of listening would go a long way here…. I will say this, one of the best experiences in my life was my interview with Harry Belafonte who detailed to me the many meetings he and Dr. King held with the Klan. And those were actual racists! This is just a political disagreement and many Muslims in the UK do not disagree with my views but side more with Posie. And these women have no inkling because they seem to be keyboard warriors. But again, if these women lived in the UK or were at all connected to that culture they would know how vastly diverse political opinion is on this topic across ethnic boundaries.
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Jana Cornel And that’s exactly what I mean. Apparently I’m throwing a temper tantrum because I dare to stand up to racism when I see it. I dare to get angry and upset when our concerns are dismissed just like you are doing right now. The proof has been shown repeatedly but you refuse to see it and then make it out like we’re crazy. It’s not going to fly with me.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Emily Newman To build bridges she has to first admit her wrong. But, honestly, I don’t think she’s worth it. She herself has said she is not a feminist. What would be the point of building a bridge with her? There are many more issues that women must fight together on besides the issue of transgender ideology. Violence against women. Sex trafficking. Equal economic opportunity. Those take much more than hating vulnerable minority groups. You talked about the white working classm. What has thwarted efforts in the US for so long is the recalcitrance of white working class people to partner with poor Black and brown people. Rather they have let the white elite use race to divide us, and they have seen economic opportunities diminish because they would rather hold on to white privilege. The Posie Parkers of the world do nothing to assist.
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Barbara Van’tSlot Laura Akers inbreeding? I have heard enough.
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Sanaz Ahmadi Rebecca Lee Crumpler no. I’m Iranian-Swedish
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Barbara Van’tSlot Rebecca Lee Crumpler if we cannot define women then we can never address those issues women must fight together. trans ideology is an all hands on deck issue.

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Mary Alice Miller Posie Parker You said “all black women v all white women”. And I am saying individual circumstances do not erase the racism that black women experience, even though black women and white women are women. See my comment about Oprah’s experience below. Oprah is individually wealthier than most white women yet she experienced racism… from guess who?
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Mary Alice Miller Mary Alice Miller When Rachel Dolezal was exposed black women had the good sense to refuse allowing her to represent us. And we didn’t even need law to do so.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Barbara Van’tSlot so, I should tolerate bigots because of the trans. I have to fight racism every time I walk out the house. I see someone trans every couple of months… maybe.
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Mary Alice Miller Posie Parker I accept the correction on location of Oprah’s incident.

And nowhere did I curse at you.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Posie Parker men who perform gender are vulnerable. I don’t think they’re women in any stretch of the imagination. I don’t think they are more vulnerable than women either. But, I recognize the abuse they face. I also recognize that Asians, Muslims, etc are vulnerable minorities, but I see what you are trying to do.
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Barbara Van’tSlot Rebecca Lee Crumpler accusing women of ‘hating vulnerable groups’ is how TRAs silence women. Those poor vulnerable white middle aged cross dressing males.

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Mary Alice Miller Posie Parker I read what you said.

And I am saying in societies infected by racism a disabled or trafficked white woman will still have white skin privilege over a black woman who is a college professor or has a masters degree. Because racism and misogynoir. You don’t experience racism because you are not black but black women, no matter how accomplished, experience racism.

Edit: The sad part is black women often experience racism from white women even though we are all women.

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Mary Alice Miller Posie Parker And my point was that on an individual basis sexism can fail, too.
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Anna Kariri-Xocó Posie Parker I won’t repeat myself over and over again. I said before what racism I found in your talk. And Mary Alice Miller talked about more.

I don’t know what is the embarassing of thinking of structural powers in our society and that black women, women of color suffer more on that basis than white women. We don’t want to win any olympics of oppression but it is part of who we are, the scars and the joys we carry on.

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Jana Cornel ^ calling a bunch of black women and women of color KKK members? This is a new low. You call us handmaidens and say that we endorsed trans ideology and trafficking of women? What a joke
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Anna Kariri-Xocó We are used to hatred from white women, Kate Graham. Our ancestors knew better from all the vile actions white households could do with them.

But we are here. And now FREE.

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Anna Kariri-Xocó And don’t forget the majority of women subjected to trafficking are women of color.
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Rachael Ralph I thought what Rebecca said was perfectly clear. Posy Parker is unbelievable here. Women do have more issues than just the TRA. They’re annoying and hateful, but they’re just one of the many problems we are facing, and they’re honestly one of the smaller ones, just a louder one.
I continue to be stunned by these crude, male-like, debate tactics.
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Sanaz Ahmadi Good to see your true face Posie Parker. I thought you must’ve hit your head when you were fawning over Jordan Peterson. I thought it must be a mistake when you went on misogynist rants against Muslim women and girls as if English school uniforms don’t sexualise girls. Your tactics are the exact same as men have been doing to us for millennia. They have dressed and undressed to suit their political agenda and you toe the same line.

Racism and misogyny are inseparable. Your hatred of WOC is misogyny. Yet there are so many arguments here telling WOC to put grievances of race aside to unite against men. The problem is not us, don’t even try. The problem is you who practice misogyny against WOC and tell WOC to shut up and put up. The same DARVO methods men use. It’s appalling.

You could’ve gracefully accepted your socialized racism, but instead you keep sinking. Venice Allan too. Goodness the immaturity displayed by you two is astounding.

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Jana Cornel Exactly. I think they want us to provide screenshots where they’re calling us the n-word or something but racism is often very subtle and Insidious. That type of racism has been all up and down this thread 😦
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Cass Troy So I’m in a group with Anan (a.k.a. Jessica,) and according to her own photos she is a white woman, yet she is parading around this post claiming to be a person of color and mocking a white passing Native woman. I wonder if she cares to clarify her heritage for us, since she has used it as a weapon to discredit other women of color on this thread.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Kate Graham no one on this thread has endorsed trans ideology. NO ONE. and, how dare you call Black women members of the KKK! We are the descendants of slaves. My parents and grandparents were the victims of Jim Crow, and we are being murdered here in the US while the majority of white women vote for the neo-Nazi in the White House.

How dare you defame the name of Linda Bellos?! Where have I or any other woman of color said she is anything like Venice or Posie? I am sure she would be shocked to find out who they really are.

Posie is the woman who associates with Tasha Rose, a white nationalist who is also anti-abortion. Ask her about it. You are seriously ill.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Mary Alice Miller I don’t know why they fail to see this. There’s an anecdotal point about a man who is disabled – John Hockenberry – who for years terrorized the women at a large, liberal radio station in NY. He sexually harassed women in the general See More
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Cass Troy I find it interesting how Jessica mocked Laura as being a white passing Native woman when she herself seems to be white passing, if a POC at all.

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Rebecca Lee Crumpler Cass Troy to silence Laura.
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Rebecca Lee Crumpler This is Jessica’s hand… and, she is questioning Laura?

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Cass Troy Yep. Like all the other women here trying to do the same.

Denying racism exists is the most effective way to ensure it remains intact. It benefits racists greatly to silence truth tellers.

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Sue Quinn Aziz I’m horrified to see white women actually laughing at concerns of women of colour. Engaging with TRAs can be brutal – but we don’t need to behave like that within our own movement. Please listen to and respect the voices of black women
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Sue Quinn Aziz Any of it. As a minimum you could respond respectfully – perhaps offer info rather than derision?
Sherri Golden Sickening. But do continue to prove our point, Posie.
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Emily Newman Yup. , what does ‘being an ally to woman of colour’ actually mean? It sounds like patronising rhetoric that ‘others’ women in minorities and actually achieves the sum total of ‘fuck all’. In terms of engaging women in feminism.

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Jana Cornel It’s embarrasing how blind you are to your own racism
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Sherri Golden Nah, I really don’t have the time to play your gaslighting games. I really do have a 12 hour shift to go work now. I’ll leave you to your own musings about what I’m doing. I certainly don’t need to prove myself to YOU, when you refuse to even be accountable for your own actions.
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Emily Newman All you’re doing is policing people – you’re doing nothing else.

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Emily Newman All I see you doing Sherri Golden is calling Posie Parker a racist – nothing else actually!

Have a good shift x

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Keisha Smith I don’t understand asking “what are you doing?” Do women need to put up billboards of the definition of “woman” or be on TV for it to count as doing something? I’ve done feminist work before this trans shit just like these women have and we’ll be doing it after.
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Hayley Macphail I’m so tired of the tone-policing between feminists online. I’m so frustrated with the constant allegations of racism that appear frivolous without implied inside knowledge that we are all apparently expected to possess. Ignorance of particular sociological theories and arguments =/= “racism”.

As much as I do not have much use for Jordan Peterson, I have never seen evidence of him being a racist and Posie Parker expressing a desire to meet him =/= “Posie Parker is a racist white supremacist”. What in the unholy fuck.

Racism and white supremacy are extremely serious allegations and I’m really tired of seeing those labels bandied about so recklessly. It’s particularly harmful when it is white women virtue-signalling over other white women and dragging women of colour into it in some display of performative wokeness that does nothing to resolve the actual dispute at hand, but ensures that it is exacerbated.

I know I am going to have people unfriend me for saying this but I don’t care. I’m tired of these cannibalistic call-outs, FB friend-policing, etc. I don’t like the way I am seeing women speak to each other on both sides of this argument here, but I don’t think rudeness is racism, I don’t think lack of deference to a specific political argument is racism. I think it’s unfair to cast aspersions on women’s characters by association. The only way for people to learn is to argue with each other and not everybody is going to agree all the time. I’m sorry but these legal reforms are going to harm all of us, the most marginalized women especially and none of us can afford to be purity policing each other anymore. These fucking “gotchas” about not being politically perfect are not helping any of us AT ALL. 😞

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Marina Johnston Oh dear. The essence of white privilege is apparent here. I think some people don’t appreciate how deeply imbedded this is and how ignoring woc or reducing their words by simply stating ‘I’m not racist’ is unhelpful.
Most feminist groups and organisations I’ve worked in, done activism with etc have nearly always been all white in Bristol. It’s a massive problem. And the roots of that are??? WOC for some reason feeling that they are not welcome/or part of. That is a problem. It doesn’t matter that we all say we are not racist. As a collective of white women feminists with a scattering of woc we do need to ask what has gone so very wrong.
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Laura Akers Emily Newman What is Embarrassing is Listening to Ya’ll White women’s IGNORANCE. What a JOKE for ya’ll to hold yourselves out to be DOING SOMETHING when ALL Ya’ll Are Doing is Cracking the Master’s Whip onto the Backs of WOC then running round claiming that’s a good deed & wonderful. UGH
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Alison Owen Hayley Macphail rock ON! Triumphant words

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Alison Owen Marina Johnston what does a lack of WOC at feminist groups in Bristol have to do with Posie, for the love of God?
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Bronwen Davies Barbara Hughes We Need To Talk is a campaign supporting women’s voices in the UK against a right-wing Tory government which is trying to impose changes in the law to give men the right to self-identify as women. Have you accidentally posted on the wrong Facebook page? Because your comments make no sense.
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Barbara Hughes Bronwen Davies what? Have you read the whole thread?
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Bronwen Davies Barbara Hughes I think so. Have I missed something? There seemed to be a group of women from the USA telling We Need To Talk that they should not have had Posie Parker as one of their speakers at last night’s meeting. Difficult to understand why not, just assertions that she is racist and is not a feminist. No evidence presented. And I disagree.
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Barbara Hughes Bronwen Davies then if you have read all that I don’t understand why you don’t understand my post! Read the whole post from the beginning
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Bronwen Davies I have. I still just see someone called Rebecca leaping in with a load of accusations, finishing with the allegation that Posie Parker has links with right-wing groups “here isn the USA”. Stroll on.
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Marina Johnston Posie Parker totally overlooking the point I raised. I’m aware of what a biological women is. I’m also aware some people identify as trans. I don’t have the fears you do. Do I have concerns around safety? Yes. Am as I fearful as you? No.
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Marina Johnston Posie Parker people were invited from many others towns & cities. It was actually in Glastonbury. The point being, you can organise in Bristol & it’s still mainly white. Look at how diverse Bristol is!

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Marina Johnston Posie Parker in response to the absence of woc voices & presence in feminism as per the conventions earlier in thread. It’s a big problem. As is the lack of working class women’s voices.
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Bronwen Davies Venice Allan I don’t know!!! There must be something awfully wrong with me!!!

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Marina Johnston Venice Allan I didn’t say there were none. I’m working class and know others of course that are. However I have met mostly middle class white women in feminism.

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Marina Johnston Venice Allan I’m talking about feminism as a movement, not current mtgs you are involved in.

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Marina Johnston Posie Parker I’m not attacking you. Though didn’t you grow up in HK? And you’re in the fortuitous position living in a large house not having to work and having been able to focus raising your kids without having to worry about where your money is coming from.
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Marina Johnston Which I’m not mentioning as a criticism, but I’m not sure that qualifies you for wc status. It’s frankly pretty much about being poor/on the breadline. Having to watch your shopping bills & basically being constantly aware of what financial pressures are on you & juggling what to prioritise.

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Emily Newman 10 years ago I moved to a coal mining community. It took me two years to settle their, the people didn’t trust me because of my accent and southern ways!

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Emily Newman It’s interesting how race and class interact in these discussions. I remember the last one. People were abused really badly and traumatised –

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Marina Johnston Emily Newman it’s great to be in a position to do that of course.

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Marina Johnston Posie Parker obviously got the HK bit wrong.

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Marina Johnston Emily Newman I’m also not ashamed of my background. I respect how hard my parents worked & the sacrifices they made to provide for me & my brother. We were the first in our family to go to university & given the message that we could do anything. It was easy to notice & be aware of what other kids had that we didn’t. That stuff is really noticeable as a kid. But we had what we needed.

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Marina Johnston Posie Parker it’s not a pile on (haven’t read all comments). But come on, you do live in a big house (you shared loads of pics when you moved) and don’t have to work. I’m not knocking that. It’s a great life to have. I’m also happy with my life. I’d liSee More

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Emily Newman Marina Johnston where on earth did I say you were ashamed of your background?
I was talking about myself and my stupid hair short and guilt a carried about my own comparative privilege whilst living in a strong working class community 🙄 Ffs read it properly yes?

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Emily Newman And so the fuck what Posie lives in a big house? Wtaf? I’m afraid if you want to claim working class on the background of your parents then Posie is as equally entitled to that.

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Marina Johnston Emily Newman I didn’t think you were. FFS I was talking about my feelings as you’d mentioned those in the community.

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Marina Johnston Posie Parker it’s always a good one liner!

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Bronwen Davies I’ve always been called middle-class, when what people mean is “educated” (because on the basis of the 11+ I got a free place to a girl’s grammar school). I think there are only two classes: working class (no inherited wealth, have to work to live) andSee More
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Marina Johnston If you read what I said earlier, I didn’t say that there are no WC women in feminism, I didn’t say it was upper class, but it mostly involves middle class women, as a percentage. Feminism needs to have a wider range of voices heard. This involves reachSee More
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Sue Quinn Aziz I’m horrified to see white women actually laughing at concerns of women of colour. Engaging with TRAs can be brutal – but we don’t need to behave like that within our own movement. Please listen to and respect the voices of black women
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Vicky Polley It’s Pathetic unsubstantiated trolling that’s what it is Shirley Taylor!!
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Cass Troy Look at all these white women getting their knickers in a knot about women of color standing up for themselves. How dare they challenge your racism! 🙄
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Vicky Polley And here’s another troll.

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Jana Cornel Why are we called trolls when we point out racism? Why are we dismissed and mocked and laughed at?
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Cass Troy Thanks Laura Akers for calling out all those women on your blog. Well done. Too bad these racist twits don’t have any strength of character or they might do the same.

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Vicky Polley Jana Cornel
When you dare to accuse someone of racism at least have evidence.. otherwise you’ll be mocked and laughed at… you will lose credibility and will not gain sympathy for your cause.
Look up the definition of trolling.
It’s really sad that you and your friends have to go out of your way to find racism, to accuse someone of being racist without any evidence.
To try and bully, belittle and accuse people of being racist by association. Accusations of being part of the KKK, another elaborated unfounded
Accusation!
Shouting people down and demanding ‘you will listen to me’
To demand we respect you and owe everything to WOC.
I will not give in to your demands, I have no respect for any of you or your friends who have persistently thrown around unfounded accusations of racism.You’ve been asked over and over for proof and you have none.
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Efua Moore Cass Troy I’m not white love.
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Jana Cornel Proof has been given but you refused to acknowledge it. Your little rant won’t Gaslight me. I have lived with this shit everyday of my life.
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Jana, want any popcorn? I’m fixin some right now. Quite a show she’s putting on for us.

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Efua Moore Posie Parker here’s the thing only racists care about being called racist, if you’re not & you know you’re not move on.
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Jana Cornel Blame the black woman . Sick.
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Efua Moore Posie Parker it is…if you’re not a racist you’re not. I’m a Black woman who was called racist…I was like oh piss off and kept moving.

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Efua Moore Posie Parker actually it does however you’ve to be objective what’s the end goal. A conversation would be a good idea & I’m not attacking you Btw

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Vicky Polley Cass Troy
Are you and your friends suffering with this ailment?
It seems you are looking for racism where there is none? It must be difficult getting around with that shoulder of yours! 😦
To have a chip on one’s shoulder refers to the act of holding a grudge or grievance that readily provokes disputation.

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Jana Cornel It’s very easy for white women to dismiss women of color when they are speaking about racism. You can deny it because you are not the one who is facing it
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Cass Troy Misogynist and racist tropes abound!

Crazy. We are crazy. 🙄

And when have I not heard a white person accuse an outspoken black person of having a chip on their shoulder before.

She’s reading right from the racist woman-haters guide for dummies.

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Cass Troy Should we place bets on what she says next?
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Vicky Polley The only people bringing colour and race into this conversation is you and your friends.
Damned if you do damned if you don’t reading that article.
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Vicky Polley You all seem to be so full of anger and hate and are lashing out at anyone and everyone..
It’s OK I understand, but you won’t get support for your cause by calling everyone racists.
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More popcorn anyone? 🍿

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Posie Parker Calling Sherri Golden a Dick. Sherri is a Lesbian. 

More Women who are Standing by Posie Parker And Venice Allan:
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More Posie Parker and Tasha Rose And their Affiliation with White Woman Hating Nationalist Males:

Posie Parker also was recently interviewed by these males as well.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/illusiondestroyer/posts/?ref=page_internal

Why are some of my FB friends members of this page. If I tag you please let me know if you hold this position showing on these meme’s. I don’t want to just assume & unfriend since perhaps you just didn’t know this is a White Supremacist fb page

Tasha Rose is a White Supremacist. She runs this group with White Supremacists men.

Anyone who supports this shit is NOT a RF.

POSIE PARKER is also a RACIST & Homophobic, an Overt Racist who stated VERY CLEARLY that Black women do not experience any more oppression for being black than any other woman. Thank you for sharing that convo w me Sherri Golden. Any one of you who thinks these women are SHERO’s PLEASE unfriend me. I have been on Posie threads & KNOW which so called RF’s are hailing these Straight up BIGOTS as Shero’s & will unfriend myself here shortly.

Same Woman Hating Creeps run this page Revenge of the CIS. White Nationalists. Fat shamers. Kavanaugh supporters. Tagging women in our circle who like this page below. I’m sure most of ya’ll don’t realize who these doods are but Do let me know if you look this stuff over then find you still align with these doods. . ty https://www.facebook.com/werenotsorry/…

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MORE RACIST White Women Claiming to Be Radical Feminists

 

The Following Are the Conversations which revealed the Internalized Racism and Woman Hatred, more specifically Het Hatred of Bev Jo and Christina.

It’s important to note that Tanya Tanner commenting on the Misogyny Exposed thread is Bev Jo’s friend which was why she was included. During the course of this conversation they also added Monich Staloch, who is Christina Adams best friend and Alijandra Said who is Shayna, another one of Christina Adams Real Life friends. Shayna is a heterosexual who infiltrated a lesbian group because she “loves to learn”. Point here is these women set out to mob us. That is what they do, call in entire groups of women who are loyal to them to attack anyone who addresses their behaviors.  tanya tanner

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The Racism Began Here:  Important to Note Here. Racist White Women Can and Do Comprehend Anti Racism. They can even take an Anti Racist Stand as Bev Jo and Christina did in the FIST Instance. In otherwords it is possible to call out racism in others and Still refuse to unpack personal Racism or lay down personal privilege one enjoys. These women who are more well versed in the Anti Racism all have a pattern of going & getting a particular type of Black woman to stand against other WOC. We saw it in FIST w Theresa & we saw it again in Misogyny Exposed with Reena Walker. These are alliances & lines drawn based on undisclosed reasons….. not based on Moral standards.
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